Finnotka

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Блокировка

Ваша учётная запись заблокирована на сутки за массовое нарушение правил ВС:МТ, ВС:ПОС, ВС:МНОГОЕ. Срочно прекратите заливку. Don Rumata

Hi DonRumata, These Wiktionary entries were created within a research project running at the Research Institute for Linguistics of Hungarian Academy of Sciences. The project aims to create online lexical resources for Finno-Ugric minority languages such as Northern Saami, Udmurt and so on. The entries were generated automatically, but the dictionaries in their background were manually validated by native speakers and linguist experts of the languages, thus they can be treated as valid lexical data. Since we created thousands of new entries, applying Pywikibot's pagefromfile option seemed to be a good solution. The reason behind choosing such an opaque user name without providing an email address is that each member of the research group wants to use this account for this purpose. Now, I provided my email address. If there are no other reason behind the blocking than the fact that we are unauthorized, please unblock us. If so, please inform us about these problems. Thanks in advance! Finnotka (обсуждение) 18:16, 16 ноября 2017 (UTC)

Please, stop importing articles. Their format violates our policies ВС:МТ, ВС:ПОС. You should always discuss mass page loading on community portal page before start. Also you must request bot rights. Don Rumata 12:46, 17 ноября 2017 (UTC)

We'd like to discuss mass page loading on the community portal page, but we are blocked, therefore we don't have permission to do so... Unfortunately, we don't speak your language, could you please summarize the formatting requirements we violated with our articles? We are to correct them. Thanks in advance! Finnotka (обсуждение) 13:12, 17 ноября 2017 (UTC)

You can use {{NEW}} template to create articles about toponyms. For example: {{subst:NEW|lang=se|тип=сущ|основа=Afrihkká|слоги=Afrihkká|помета=геогр.|[[Африка]]}}. Don Rumata 14:18, 17 ноября 2017 (UTC)

But i suggest creating sample page in Викисловарь:Инкубатор namespace to discuss it. I think will be good to add a reference to the source dictionaries in section «Библиография» (Bibliography) using template {{книга}} and add {{топоним}} template in section «Морфологические и синтаксические свойства» (morphological and syntactic properties). Probably you can add Saami hyperonyms (country, town, etc.). Don Rumata 15:14, 17 ноября 2017 (UTC)

• Hello, I have just read your article. Apparently there has been no edits in neither Finnish nor Hungarian dictionaries since March and I saw no your activity at our community portal page. Are you going to finish the project or you've rather abandoned finding a way to upload the data to English and Russian Wiktionaries in a correct way? Ain92 (обсуждение) 16:06, 15 августа 2018 (UTC)
• Hello Ain92, yes, we still plan to upload our articles, but we haven't found the right way to do it. However, everyone is on holiday, we will proceed with it in September. Finnotka (обсуждение) 13:40, 16 августа 2018 (UTC)
  • Re: wikimail, I don't feel myself competent enough to evaluate your incubator articles since I have little experience editing (let alone creating) articles about non-Russian lexemes, and it's even more complicated with the languages I don't know. Therefore I explained the situation to an administrator who has created many such articles and requested help from him: Обсуждение участника:Al Silonov#Ботозаливка на основе лексических данных венгерских лингвистов. Ain92 (обсуждение) 13:35, 11 сентября 2018 (UTC)
  • He recommended to try subst:NEW just as Don Rumata above. You would put the language code after |lang=, part of speech abbreviation after |тип=, IPA transcription after |trans= and the translation after the last |. Ain92 (обсуждение) 21:09, 11 сентября 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you! We have another problem. What should we do in cases of polysemous or homonymous words, e.g. when the same word belongs to more than one part-of-speech in one language? How is it done properly with the subst:NEW template? Finnotka
    • Hello again, almost half a year later, how could I help you? Ain92 (обсуждение) 23:35, 26 февраля 2019 (UTC)
      • Hello, can you tell us if we should create a new account for the Bot or is it done automatically? We want to apply for the bot status, but we don't know if we should first create an account for that or not. Thanks! Finnotka 11:10, 28 февраля 2019 (UTC)
        • AFAIK, traditionally people create one or several separate accounts for their bots (perhaps to distinguish manual and automatic edits), but it's not mandatory (or at least I know no rules prohibiting usage of bot accounts for manual edits) and if you are not going to edit a significant number of articles manually, then applying for the bot flag on this account is OK. If I'm wrong, people will correct you at the application page. =) Ain92 (обсуждение) 12:05, 1 марта 2019 (UTC)

NEW template

Hi! You wrote:

...We are trying to create entries in the Russian Wiktionary, but we have a couple of problems right now. Ain92 has already asked you how we should create these entries, but our problems with subst:NEW template are the followings:

What should we do in cases of polysemous or homonymous words, e.g. when the same word belongs to more than one part-of-speech in one language? How is it done properly with this template?

Also, if the headword is the same in 2 or more languages (Udmurt, Komi, Mari, etc), should we use the template 2-3 times following each other?

Is it correct to use the pipeline (|) after the last argument of the template (the Russian meaning), if the word has more meanings in Russian, and a comma when these meanings are synonyms?

Thank you in advance.

First - the polysemous words. It's done within one NEW template like this (suppose we have an Udmurt noun with 3 meanings each with its own sinonyms):

{{subst:NEW|lang=udm|тип=сущ|индекс=|cat=|сущ=|гл=|прил=|этим=|син=_sinonym1
# _sinonym2
# _sinonym3|ант=|гипер=|trans=|пример1=|перевод=|помета=помета.|слоги={{по-слогам|{{subst:PAGENAME}}}}|основа=|_meaning1 {{пример|}}
# _meaning2 {{пример|}}
# _meaning3 }}

It's more complicated if you have several homonyms, then NEW is not enough, you first create and save an article for the first homonym, then edit it, inserting the rest with the help of {{ADD}} which works pretty much the same way as NEW. You also have to provide proper headings for each homonymous section; usually it is done with {{заголовок}}, but it's poorly documented, so you can use wiki heading2 syntax instead: ==word I== ==word II== etc. Suppose we have English homonyms, first is an adjective (created with NEW), second - a noun, third - a verb. So you add to the original text the following:

{{subst:ADD|lang=en|add=word II|тип=сущ|индекс=|cat=|сущ=|гл=|прил=|этим=|син=|ант=|гипер=|trans=|пример1=|перевод=|помета=помета.|слоги={{по-слогам|{{subst:PAGENAME}}}}|основа=|...}}
{{subst:ADD|lang=en|add=word III|тип=гл|индекс=|cat=|сущ=|гл=|прил=|этим=|син=|ант=|гипер=|trans=|пример1=|перевод=|помета=помета.|слоги={{по-слогам|{{subst:PAGENAME}}}}|основа=|...}}

At last - the multilingual homonymy - that's easier. For each language you use its own NEW, alphabetically sorted by the languages names in Russian. Good luck! --Al Silonov (обсуждение) 11:59, 2 октября 2018 (UTC)